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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/2008/06/09/you-have-opinions-i-want-them/comment-page-3/#comment-17371</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the first time ever, I&#039;m shutting off comments on a post.  While I did ask for opinions, and have appreciated all the comments I&#039;ve received, I really am tired of defending my actions OVER and OVER.  It has been really hard to read all of these comments.  And yes, I realize that by posting this I opened myself up for criticism. 

I think that many of you are viewing this situation through your own experiences...well, of course you are, as that&#039;s just how we relate.  I feel that many of you are viewing me unfairly because of your own experiences, though..

I don&#039;t think that the BULK of what I did was wrong, tho if I had it to do again I&#039;d have been more mature.  I wouldn&#039;t have huffed off, calling the kids mean, nor would I have said anything about being ashamed.

But you better believe that I do not regret defending my 2 year old son.  He needs to know that I have his back and that we&#039;re taking shit off some smart ass 8 year old.

So, yeah.  Comments closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the first time ever, I&#8217;m shutting off comments on a post.  While I did ask for opinions, and have appreciated all the comments I&#8217;ve received, I really am tired of defending my actions OVER and OVER.  It has been really hard to read all of these comments.  And yes, I realize that by posting this I opened myself up for criticism. </p>
<p>I think that many of you are viewing this situation through your own experiences&#8230;well, of course you are, as that&#8217;s just how we relate.  I feel that many of you are viewing me unfairly because of your own experiences, though..</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that the BULK of what I did was wrong, tho if I had it to do again I&#8217;d have been more mature.  I wouldn&#8217;t have huffed off, calling the kids mean, nor would I have said anything about being ashamed.</p>
<p>But you better believe that I do not regret defending my 2 year old son.  He needs to know that I have his back and that we&#8217;re taking shit off some smart ass 8 year old.</p>
<p>So, yeah.  Comments closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/2008/06/09/you-have-opinions-i-want-them/comment-page-2/#comment-17364</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lovely One, You know, I ABSOLUTELY agree that some of the things I said to the girl were not the best things to say.  If I had it to do over again, I&#039;d have left out a lot of what I said, but still been VERY STERN with her.

I think, though, that your pool situation and this situation are VERY different and it sounds like this mom that yelled at you and your son was even more immature than I was.  I guess I just don&#039;t want to be lumped in the same category as that person.  

If this girl would have been four years old, I wouldn&#039;t have been as angry, nor would I have ever said what I ended up saying.  If this girl&#039;s mother would have been right there, I probably would have been more composed, tho still asking her to not throw mud IN MY 2 YEAR OLD&#039;s FACE.

I really do understand how your situation would have been terrible for you and your child.  I just don&#039;t think these two situations can be compared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lovely One, You know, I ABSOLUTELY agree that some of the things I said to the girl were not the best things to say.  If I had it to do over again, I&#8217;d have left out a lot of what I said, but still been VERY STERN with her.</p>
<p>I think, though, that your pool situation and this situation are VERY different and it sounds like this mom that yelled at you and your son was even more immature than I was.  I guess I just don&#8217;t want to be lumped in the same category as that person.  </p>
<p>If this girl would have been four years old, I wouldn&#8217;t have been as angry, nor would I have ever said what I ended up saying.  If this girl&#8217;s mother would have been right there, I probably would have been more composed, tho still asking her to not throw mud IN MY 2 YEAR OLD&#8217;s FACE.</p>
<p>I really do understand how your situation would have been terrible for you and your child.  I just don&#8217;t think these two situations can be compared.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLovelyOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLovelyOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay.  When I first read your post last week, I definitely agreed that you were within your rights to correct someone else&#039;s child.  I do think, however, that you could have reacted a bit more &quot;maturely&quot; (especially with that last comment!)  :)

All that said....yesterday, I was on the receiving end of a VERY irate parent&#039;s yelling.  Apparently, I was not reprimanding my 4-year-old son to her satisfaction at swim lessons, so she decided to do it for me.  Angrily and nastily to my little boy.  When I asked what the problem was, she and her husband began yelling at me about my poor parenting. 30 minutes of drama ensued.

Deep breath.

So, now that I&#039;ve been on the other end of someone else&#039;s immature response to a problem like this, I would just ask that in the future, we all consider the big picture.  Wouldn&#039;t it be better if we adults handled our problems among adults, instead of taking it out on other people&#039;s children?

While I still believe that we can (and yes, should) correct other people&#039;s children, can we do it without being childish ourselves?

If she had mentioned this to me two days ago - that my kid can&#039;t keep his hands to himself and is splashing in the pool (imagine that?) - I would have talked to him about it, asked him not to, and would have tried to be more sensistive to her concerns.

Instead what I got was lots of yelling, in front of God, parents, kids, and everybody.  That just made it so much better for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay.  When I first read your post last week, I definitely agreed that you were within your rights to correct someone else&#8217;s child.  I do think, however, that you could have reacted a bit more &#8220;maturely&#8221; (especially with that last comment!)  <img src='http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>All that said&#8230;.yesterday, I was on the receiving end of a VERY irate parent&#8217;s yelling.  Apparently, I was not reprimanding my 4-year-old son to her satisfaction at swim lessons, so she decided to do it for me.  Angrily and nastily to my little boy.  When I asked what the problem was, she and her husband began yelling at me about my poor parenting. 30 minutes of drama ensued.</p>
<p>Deep breath.</p>
<p>So, now that I&#8217;ve been on the other end of someone else&#8217;s immature response to a problem like this, I would just ask that in the future, we all consider the big picture.  Wouldn&#8217;t it be better if we adults handled our problems among adults, instead of taking it out on other people&#8217;s children?</p>
<p>While I still believe that we can (and yes, should) correct other people&#8217;s children, can we do it without being childish ourselves?</p>
<p>If she had mentioned this to me two days ago &#8211; that my kid can&#8217;t keep his hands to himself and is splashing in the pool (imagine that?) &#8211; I would have talked to him about it, asked him not to, and would have tried to be more sensistive to her concerns.</p>
<p>Instead what I got was lots of yelling, in front of God, parents, kids, and everybody.  That just made it so much better for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Preserving the moment so that in ten years when he&#8217;s in trouble for throwing mud on a little kid, I&#8217;ll remember a time when he was truly sweet &#124; Playgroups are No Place For Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>Preserving the moment so that in ten years when he&#8217;s in trouble for throwing mud on a little kid, I&#8217;ll remember a time when he was truly sweet &#124; Playgroups are No Place For Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in print so that in the future I can remember these precious moments.  Especially when he&#8217;s eight and in trouble for throwing mud on some poor, defenseless two-year-old or when he&#8217;s grounded for pummelling his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in print so that in the future I can remember these precious moments.  Especially when he&#8217;s eight and in trouble for throwing mud on some poor, defenseless two-year-old or when he&#8217;s grounded for pummelling his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
		<link>http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/2008/06/09/you-have-opinions-i-want-them/comment-page-2/#comment-17104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best intentions... certainly.  The best method... probably not.  Otherwise, would you be questioning your methods?  I wholeheartedly agree that an 8-yr-old should know better.  I mean, really know better.  However, having had my 2-yr-old yelled at by another Mom, I have to say, it is not cool.  I realize your circumstances were not the same, but if things are so out of hand that yelling seems appropriate, I would&#039;ve appreciated being informed and allowed to handle it on my own.  MIA Moms on the other hand... that&#039;s another thing.  Sorry, I&#039;m no help :) Good post though!

Jamies last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mommapeas.blogspot.com/2008/06/funny-things-ive-heard-lately.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Funny things I&#039;ve Heard Lately&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best intentions&#8230; certainly.  The best method&#8230; probably not.  Otherwise, would you be questioning your methods?  I wholeheartedly agree that an 8-yr-old should know better.  I mean, really know better.  However, having had my 2-yr-old yelled at by another Mom, I have to say, it is not cool.  I realize your circumstances were not the same, but if things are so out of hand that yelling seems appropriate, I would&#8217;ve appreciated being informed and allowed to handle it on my own.  MIA Moms on the other hand&#8230; that&#8217;s another thing.  Sorry, I&#8217;m no help <img src='http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Good post though!</p>
<p>Jamies last blog post..<a href="http://mommapeas.blogspot.com/2008/06/funny-things-ive-heard-lately.html">Funny things I&#8217;ve Heard Lately</a></p>
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		<title>By: Angie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once yelled at a 7 year old boy for hitting my 4 year old boy in the head with a wiffle ball bat. HARD. His parents and good friends of ours were right there and my instinct was to nip it in the bud and yell at the older kid immediately. I was embarrassed and learned that was probably not the best response. I don&#039;t like to yell at my own kids (cuz I do it all the time and they are immune to it), so I don&#039;t think it is appropriate to yell to get a response. 

I think I would have sternly asked her WHY she was doing it. IF she thought it was okay and DOES she think there is something she should do about it. - making her think about it and slightly embarrassing her without bringing more attention to the situation. 

Don&#039;t know for sure how old Carson is (3? 4?), but with my kids now in school (6 and 5), we have a LOT more incidents like this. Sometimes it is my kid acting inappropriately and sometimes it is another&#039;s. Since are past the mom-attended playdates now, I have to handle these situations without the other mom&#039;s. I think a stern discussion is more effective.

KEEP BELIEVING

Angies last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/KeepBelieving/~3/313090955/we-have-returned-from-our-two-weeks-of.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once yelled at a 7 year old boy for hitting my 4 year old boy in the head with a wiffle ball bat. HARD. His parents and good friends of ours were right there and my instinct was to nip it in the bud and yell at the older kid immediately. I was embarrassed and learned that was probably not the best response. I don&#8217;t like to yell at my own kids (cuz I do it all the time and they are immune to it), so I don&#8217;t think it is appropriate to yell to get a response. </p>
<p>I think I would have sternly asked her WHY she was doing it. IF she thought it was okay and DOES she think there is something she should do about it. &#8211; making her think about it and slightly embarrassing her without bringing more attention to the situation. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know for sure how old Carson is (3? 4?), but with my kids now in school (6 and 5), we have a LOT more incidents like this. Sometimes it is my kid acting inappropriately and sometimes it is another&#8217;s. Since are past the mom-attended playdates now, I have to handle these situations without the other mom&#8217;s. I think a stern discussion is more effective.</p>
<p>KEEP BELIEVING</p>
<p>Angies last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/KeepBelieving/~3/313090955/we-have-returned-from-our-two-weeks-of.html"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Queen of Shake Shake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Queen of Shake Shake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m late to the party because I was out in the country having tobacco spittin&#039; contest and watching two cousins marry each other, but I&#039;m chiming in anyway.  

Knowing Jennifer personally and having been around her in many social mommy situations, she isn&#039;t a reactionary person without reason.  

Anytime you react from mother bear mode, it is not over-reacting.  Good lord, we have those feelings and instincts for a reason.   Physical harm isn&#039;t the only reason we should defend our children.  If it were, I wouldn&#039;t have raised a ruckus at my oldest son&#039;s school over him being made fun of for crying.  After all, he wasn&#039;t suffering &quot;legitimate physical harm&quot;.

If my almost 8 year was throwing mud in the face of a 2 year old, I&#039;d raise my voice at him too.  

I think it&#039;s great that Carson knows he has a mommy who will defend him.   Kids need that too.

Queen of Shake Shakes last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://queenofshake-shake.blogspot.com/2008/06/jaunt-to-country.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Jaunt to the Country&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m late to the party because I was out in the country having tobacco spittin&#8217; contest and watching two cousins marry each other, but I&#8217;m chiming in anyway.  </p>
<p>Knowing Jennifer personally and having been around her in many social mommy situations, she isn&#8217;t a reactionary person without reason.  </p>
<p>Anytime you react from mother bear mode, it is not over-reacting.  Good lord, we have those feelings and instincts for a reason.   Physical harm isn&#8217;t the only reason we should defend our children.  If it were, I wouldn&#8217;t have raised a ruckus at my oldest son&#8217;s school over him being made fun of for crying.  After all, he wasn&#8217;t suffering &#8220;legitimate physical harm&#8221;.</p>
<p>If my almost 8 year was throwing mud in the face of a 2 year old, I&#8217;d raise my voice at him too.  </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great that Carson knows he has a mommy who will defend him.   Kids need that too.</p>
<p>Queen of Shake Shakes last blog post..<a href="http://queenofshake-shake.blogspot.com/2008/06/jaunt-to-country.html">A Jaunt to the Country</a></p>
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		<title>By: tagunder</title>
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		<dc:creator>tagunder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m in the minority.  I think you were a little bit wrong to react the way you did.  I understand why you would feel so strongly, but that doesn&#039;t justify it and my impression is that you are seeking permission from others to soothe your conscience for the way you treated the little girl (your huffy comment that she was mean was the most egregious).

I recall when I was 9 or 10 playing at in indoor playground.  A boy, perhaps 4 or 5, climbed up the stairs to a covered slippery slide and was near the top when I started going up the stairs.  He slid down.  I came down behind him, but never touched or spoke to him at any point.  For whatever reason, he was bawling at the bottom of the slide.  His mother ran over to me and yelled &quot;Did you hit him!?!  Surprised, I had no idea what to even say.  Even though I responded &quot;No!&quot; my little 10 year old ego was bruised.  I felt attacked and wasn&#039;t sure what I had done wrong.  

You don&#039;t really know what the intent of anyone is (children included) until you ask them.  Sure, you may not always get an honest answer, but you can discern a lot by their demeanor after they get the honest question.  My opinion is you should have asked both children what was going on.  If the little girl acted ashamed, embarrassed, or cavalier, THEN you can probably assume she intended harm.  

Because of the way you reacted to what you thought you were seeing, you will never really know.  Keep this in mind before you shoot first and ask questions later.   (My opinion would be altered if you saw something potentially life-threatening.  You don&#039;t take those kind of chances.  Nothing you&#039;ve said so far would indicate to me that your son was suffering legitimate physical harm)

tagunders last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://tagunder.blogspot.com/2008/06/total-vindication.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Total Vindication!&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m in the minority.  I think you were a little bit wrong to react the way you did.  I understand why you would feel so strongly, but that doesn&#8217;t justify it and my impression is that you are seeking permission from others to soothe your conscience for the way you treated the little girl (your huffy comment that she was mean was the most egregious).</p>
<p>I recall when I was 9 or 10 playing at in indoor playground.  A boy, perhaps 4 or 5, climbed up the stairs to a covered slippery slide and was near the top when I started going up the stairs.  He slid down.  I came down behind him, but never touched or spoke to him at any point.  For whatever reason, he was bawling at the bottom of the slide.  His mother ran over to me and yelled &#8220;Did you hit him!?!  Surprised, I had no idea what to even say.  Even though I responded &#8220;No!&#8221; my little 10 year old ego was bruised.  I felt attacked and wasn&#8217;t sure what I had done wrong.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really know what the intent of anyone is (children included) until you ask them.  Sure, you may not always get an honest answer, but you can discern a lot by their demeanor after they get the honest question.  My opinion is you should have asked both children what was going on.  If the little girl acted ashamed, embarrassed, or cavalier, THEN you can probably assume she intended harm.  </p>
<p>Because of the way you reacted to what you thought you were seeing, you will never really know.  Keep this in mind before you shoot first and ask questions later.   (My opinion would be altered if you saw something potentially life-threatening.  You don&#8217;t take those kind of chances.  Nothing you&#8217;ve said so far would indicate to me that your son was suffering legitimate physical harm)</p>
<p>tagunders last blog post..<a href="http://tagunder.blogspot.com/2008/06/total-vindication.html">Total Vindication!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mommy Daisy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mommy Daisy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 12:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a little over the top.  I will correct someone else&#039;s kid...mostly when their parents aren&#039;t around to take notice.  I usually gently scold them, just as I would my own child.  I tell them that it&#039;s not appropriate to behave that way and I don&#039;t expet to see it happen again.  This seems to be effective.  If someone had to tell me son to stop doing something, I would appreciate it.  If I was nearby I would scold him.  But I would NOT appreciate another parent/adult YELLING at my child.  I think that would offend me if I was close enough to see it.

Mommy Daisys last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mommydaisy.blogspot.com/2008/06/here-baby-there-mama-everywhere-daddy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here baby, there mama, Everywhere daddy daddy&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a little over the top.  I will correct someone else&#8217;s kid&#8230;mostly when their parents aren&#8217;t around to take notice.  I usually gently scold them, just as I would my own child.  I tell them that it&#8217;s not appropriate to behave that way and I don&#8217;t expet to see it happen again.  This seems to be effective.  If someone had to tell me son to stop doing something, I would appreciate it.  If I was nearby I would scold him.  But I would NOT appreciate another parent/adult YELLING at my child.  I think that would offend me if I was close enough to see it.</p>
<p>Mommy Daisys last blog post..<a href="http://mommydaisy.blogspot.com/2008/06/here-baby-there-mama-everywhere-daddy.html">Here baby, there mama, Everywhere daddy daddy</a></p>
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		<title>By: Devan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Devan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. GIven that he was already dirty I&#039;d say you overreacted a little. However, given that she was old enough to know better I definitely think you were in the right to say something.

Devans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://all-d.blogspot.com/2008/06/trip.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Trip&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. GIven that he was already dirty I&#8217;d say you overreacted a little. However, given that she was old enough to know better I definitely think you were in the right to say something.</p>
<p>Devans last blog post..<a href="http://all-d.blogspot.com/2008/06/trip.html">The Trip</a></p>
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