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		<title>By: My son, the teenager. Or man. Not sure there&#8217;s really a difference. &#124; Playgroups are No Place For Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>My son, the teenager. Or man. Not sure there&#8217;s really a difference. &#124; Playgroups are No Place For Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This has become his standard reply.  Occasionally I&#8217;ll get a noncommittal affirmation that he had a good day or that he played with his best friend, Mary Grace, &#8220;on the monkey bars,&#8221; like,  DUH MOM.   At first I was concerned and would press for further details.  &#8220;Did something happen?!&#8221; I&#8217;d ask, being careful not to say,&#8221;&#8216;did anything BAD happen,&#8221; fearing that I&#8217;d give him the idea that if something had indeed happened, that it was somehow bad and that he&#8217;d possibly become the school hating Carson from the years before. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This has become his standard reply.  Occasionally I&#8217;ll get a noncommittal affirmation that he had a good day or that he played with his best friend, Mary Grace, &#8220;on the monkey bars,&#8221; like,  DUH MOM.   At first I was concerned and would press for further details.  &#8220;Did something happen?!&#8221; I&#8217;d ask, being careful not to say,&#8221;&#8216;did anything BAD happen,&#8221; fearing that I&#8217;d give him the idea that if something had indeed happened, that it was somehow bad and that he&#8217;d possibly become the school hating Carson from the years before. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Repercussions of blog content &#124; Playgroups are No Place For Children</title>
		<link>http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/2009/02/17/shrugging-or-slumping-my-shoulders/comment-page-2/#comment-26572</link>
		<dc:creator>Repercussions of blog content &#124; Playgroups are No Place For Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 05:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] since writing about my son&#8217;s troubles at school recently, I&#8217;ve hesitated to say anything about him on this blog that could maybe even [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] since writing about my son&#8217;s troubles at school recently, I&#8217;ve hesitated to say anything about him on this blog that could maybe even [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have 3 children. My oldest (9) was diagnosed with Asperger&#039;s Syndrome after 4 preschools and being asked to spend the 2nd semester of kindergarten at home.  My second child has just been diagnosed with OCD (with possibly other things undiagnosed). He is in kindergarten now and we have just begun the process of getting him some help. Neither of these kids seem to do well in school or structured environments. They all love it, but circle time among other things causes them great difficulty.  I also have a 2 year old (so far showing no of the familiar signs we&#039;re used to seeing with our other children) who still seems to have issues with structured environments. She just completed her second round of gymnastic classes and aside from the routines she does basically nothing! She doesn&#039;t do warm ups, positions and won&#039;t stick to any one &quot;carpet square&quot; 

With my boys I have always known something was up, (but she seems to be for lack of a better word)&quot;normal&quot;.  I wonder if there isn&#039;t something that can be done to &quot;practice&quot; these behavior skills, but so far I haven&#039;t found anything that works.  What I CAN say, is that I fully agree with not canceling preschool. As I was saying earlier. I judge success by whether or not my children complete the task, class etc.  If I don&#039;t have to remove them we met our goal.  Also I might point out that 2 of the 4 preschools my oldest attended were Montessori schools. One worked and one asked us to leave after 1 month.  Not only are not all Montessori schools made the same(even within their two defined formats) but this type of school isn&#039;t for every child, despite what they may tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have 3 children. My oldest (9) was diagnosed with Asperger&#8217;s Syndrome after 4 preschools and being asked to spend the 2nd semester of kindergarten at home.  My second child has just been diagnosed with OCD (with possibly other things undiagnosed). He is in kindergarten now and we have just begun the process of getting him some help. Neither of these kids seem to do well in school or structured environments. They all love it, but circle time among other things causes them great difficulty.  I also have a 2 year old (so far showing no of the familiar signs we&#8217;re used to seeing with our other children) who still seems to have issues with structured environments. She just completed her second round of gymnastic classes and aside from the routines she does basically nothing! She doesn&#8217;t do warm ups, positions and won&#8217;t stick to any one &#8220;carpet square&#8221; </p>
<p>With my boys I have always known something was up, (but she seems to be for lack of a better word)&#8221;normal&#8221;.  I wonder if there isn&#8217;t something that can be done to &#8220;practice&#8221; these behavior skills, but so far I haven&#8217;t found anything that works.  What I CAN say, is that I fully agree with not canceling preschool. As I was saying earlier. I judge success by whether or not my children complete the task, class etc.  If I don&#8217;t have to remove them we met our goal.  Also I might point out that 2 of the 4 preschools my oldest attended were Montessori schools. One worked and one asked us to leave after 1 month.  Not only are not all Montessori schools made the same(even within their two defined formats) but this type of school isn&#8217;t for every child, despite what they may tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: the new girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>the new girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was meaning to say, with that comment, that I appreciate your position about Carson and his temperament not necessarily being an obvious DISORDER.

When I re-read it, it came off sounding like advice for you, which it, uh, was not.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;the new girl&#180;s lastest post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewgirl.typepad.com/the_new_girl/2009/02/heart-of-glass.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Like Blondie Said&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was meaning to say, with that comment, that I appreciate your position about Carson and his temperament not necessarily being an obvious DISORDER.</p>
<p>When I re-read it, it came off sounding like advice for you, which it, uh, was not.</p>
<p><abbr><em>the new girl&#180;s lastest post..<a href="http://thenewgirl.typepad.com/the_new_girl/2009/02/heart-of-glass.html">It&#8217;s Like Blondie Said</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: the new girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>the new girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know I&#039;m so late to this J.  But there is so much written about temperamental style in kids.  The kind of temperament that a kid is born with, can make so much difference (obviously) in how they react/respond/act in certain situations.

A tougher-type temperament in a kid (or a temperament that was too different or too like the parents&#039;) has been MANY TIMES the reason for a referral to my office, when no *diagnosable* condition existed.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;the new girl&#180;s lastest post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thenewgirl.typepad.com/the_new_girl/2009/02/heart-of-glass.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s Like Blondie Said&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I&#8217;m so late to this J.  But there is so much written about temperamental style in kids.  The kind of temperament that a kid is born with, can make so much difference (obviously) in how they react/respond/act in certain situations.</p>
<p>A tougher-type temperament in a kid (or a temperament that was too different or too like the parents&#8217;) has been MANY TIMES the reason for a referral to my office, when no *diagnosable* condition existed.</p>
<p><abbr><em>the new girl&#180;s lastest post..<a href="http://thenewgirl.typepad.com/the_new_girl/2009/02/heart-of-glass.html">It&#8217;s Like Blondie Said</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Commentless Wednesday: Objectivity &#38; Rabid Parenting Packs &#124; Queen of Shake Shake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commentless Wednesday: Objectivity &#38; Rabid Parenting Packs &#124; Queen of Shake Shake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] close friend, Jennifer from Playgroups are No Place for Children, wrote a recent post about some struggles she is having with her 3-year-old son starting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Natalia Burleson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalia Burleson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I often wonder why people think that kids should fit into a nice neat category.  If they are different, outspoken or even difficult (like my son) they are classified as ADD or something else.  My son is outspoken and doesn&#039;t follow suit.  When I take him to story time he doesn&#039;t participate in the song portion.  It&#039;s hard for me to be OK with it, but I have to be, it&#039;s his choice.  

I like your comment to suggestion and I&#039;m right there with you! :)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Natalia Burleson&#180;s lastest post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://nataliaburleson.com/?p=290&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Love thy self!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I often wonder why people think that kids should fit into a nice neat category.  If they are different, outspoken or even difficult (like my son) they are classified as ADD or something else.  My son is outspoken and doesn&#8217;t follow suit.  When I take him to story time he doesn&#8217;t participate in the song portion.  It&#8217;s hard for me to be OK with it, but I have to be, it&#8217;s his choice.  </p>
<p>I like your comment to suggestion and I&#8217;m right there with you! <img src='http://playgroupsarenoplaceforchildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><abbr><em>Natalia Burleson&#180;s lastest post..<a href="http://nataliaburleson.com/?p=290">Love thy self!</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 20:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&quot;Suggestion&quot;

This comment didn&#039;t pass my spam filter and I hesitated to allow it.

I appreciate the effort you put into sending me this link and I hope that possibly this link could help others.

I reviewed the checklist and found that only 4 things apply to my son.  As I stated in an earlier comment, I don&#039;t believe that my son&#039;s need for control is necessarily something that requires a diagnosis of some sort.  

And while I&#039;m on my tangent, I have to wonder if kids can&#039;t just be &quot;difficult&quot; anymore w/o someone immediately assuming they are disordered?  I know that as an SLP, some teachers  wanted kids diagnosed so they could get them out of their class, some parents want some sort of diagnosis to explain why their child struggles.  

Certainly there are children should have some sort of diagnosis, I just don&#039;t think that every hiccup along the way should be cause for concern.  If Carson is still completely out of whack in a year, I&#039;ll be more willing to look into Sensory Integration or other behavior problems.  For now, I&#039;m just going to go w/the old standby that my kid&#039;s a stinker and needs lots of extra positive reinforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@&#8221;Suggestion&#8221;</p>
<p>This comment didn&#8217;t pass my spam filter and I hesitated to allow it.</p>
<p>I appreciate the effort you put into sending me this link and I hope that possibly this link could help others.</p>
<p>I reviewed the checklist and found that only 4 things apply to my son.  As I stated in an earlier comment, I don&#8217;t believe that my son&#8217;s need for control is necessarily something that requires a diagnosis of some sort.  </p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m on my tangent, I have to wonder if kids can&#8217;t just be &#8220;difficult&#8221; anymore w/o someone immediately assuming they are disordered?  I know that as an SLP, some teachers  wanted kids diagnosed so they could get them out of their class, some parents want some sort of diagnosis to explain why their child struggles.  </p>
<p>Certainly there are children should have some sort of diagnosis, I just don&#8217;t think that every hiccup along the way should be cause for concern.  If Carson is still completely out of whack in a year, I&#8217;ll be more willing to look into Sensory Integration or other behavior problems.  For now, I&#8217;m just going to go w/the old standby that my kid&#8217;s a stinker and needs lots of extra positive reinforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Barrette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Barrette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 19:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thoughts from someone else who is &quot;differently civilized&quot; ...

1) When people give you homilies like &quot;he&#039;ll get used to it,&quot; memorize them and repeat them when those or other people later complain to you about your son.  Then it&#039;s harder for them to argue.

2) He needs to learn that his behavior affects people and events; i.e. if he drives you nuts, that makes you want to fob him off on other people for a break, whereas if he were less of a pain you&#039;d have less need for a break.

3) Basic personality traits rarely change.  If he consistently dislikes being around other people, that&#039;s probably going to stick.

4) Some behaviors are really environmental, but the variables can be really obscure.  I was, hm, 16 or 17 the first time I encountered a crowd that I &lt;i&gt;liked&lt;/i&gt;.  If you can pin down what things your son dislikes about other people or activities, you may be able to maneuver around them somewhat, or find ways for him to protect himself from things that make him uncomfortable.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elizabeth Barrette&#180;s lastest post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://gaiatribe.geekuniversalis.com/2009/02/20/household-living/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Household Living&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts from someone else who is &#8220;differently civilized&#8221; &#8230;</p>
<p>1) When people give you homilies like &#8220;he&#8217;ll get used to it,&#8221; memorize them and repeat them when those or other people later complain to you about your son.  Then it&#8217;s harder for them to argue.</p>
<p>2) He needs to learn that his behavior affects people and events; i.e. if he drives you nuts, that makes you want to fob him off on other people for a break, whereas if he were less of a pain you&#8217;d have less need for a break.</p>
<p>3) Basic personality traits rarely change.  If he consistently dislikes being around other people, that&#8217;s probably going to stick.</p>
<p>4) Some behaviors are really environmental, but the variables can be really obscure.  I was, hm, 16 or 17 the first time I encountered a crowd that I <i>liked</i>.  If you can pin down what things your son dislikes about other people or activities, you may be able to maneuver around them somewhat, or find ways for him to protect himself from things that make him uncomfortable.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Elizabeth Barrette&#180;s lastest post..<a href="http://gaiatribe.geekuniversalis.com/2009/02/20/household-living/">Household Living</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<dc:creator>Suggestion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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